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T O P I C R E V I E WcharlieChoosing "Lilith" on astro gives me an Aries Lilith 8H but going by what some astrologer said on YouTube that NOT choosing H13 would be like making a blow up doll human i.e. not a valid option. SO....by choosing H13, it makes me a Taurus Lilith 9H conjunct Chiron, MC, SN and Jupiter. Now what??hypatia238I use H13.etherealsaturnAsteroid 1181 is the only verifiable physical body, Dark Moon h58 (Waldemath), maybe. I usually look at all of three and connect them together. florenceLol Ive got entangled in a lot of reading about this and come out none the wiser. This in itself must be about Lilith and all its facets being hard to pin down, the mystery. That's its so unclear just like Pluto became a hidden force when its planet status was removedMermaidDreamz quote:Originally posted by etherealsaturn:Asteroid 1181 is the only verifiable physical body, Dark Moon h58 (Waldemath), maybe. I usually look at all of three and connect them together. So is h58 BML? All these Liliths can really confuse anyone. Ok - I read here m answer: http://astrofix.net/2010/07/01/how-to-find-all-four-liliths-in-your-birth-chart/ SikandaSorry, but what is H13? As in house 13??Sikanda quote:Originally posted by Sikanda:Sorry, but what is H13? As in house 13??Okay I see, as I now tried. I see what you mean. If I chose Lilith (the 'standard' way), I have it in Gemini 2H. But if I add 1181, I have a Lilith in Pisces 11H as well. I guess both can influence, or is it only one?----Edit: Well, look what I found in this very forum. Giving Peri credit where its due, since it is him/her who said this (thanks for the information):"h13 is true BMLThere are 2 Black Moon Liliths: one is mean BML (Lilith on additional objects list in astro.com) the other is true BML (h13 Osculating Lunar Apogee on the list of "hypothetical" planets )asteroid Lilith (#1181on the list of named asteroids)and Dark Moon Lilith (h58 Waldemath Black Moon on the list of "hypothetical" planets)In my opinion, BML represents the subconscious part of our mind or the Unknown, its a hightly individual point in the chart , it is something that makes us different from others. BML also represents our anima/animus figure which is very interesting when it comes to synastry charts comparison. A relationship under the influence of BML may grow into a dangerous liaison, into a painful, intense, obsessive or strange love affair.Which of them to use true or mean? The true is the more accurate placement but an ephemeris for it has only been available for about 10 years so not as much work has been done using it. From my personal experience, I can say mean BML does work and manifests itself in transits and synastry quite noticeably! As for true BML I haven't worked with it yet.Asteroid Lilith indicates where a person does not fit the cultural stereotype, leading to some kind of exile from the community, where we struggle with social judgments. In synastry, it can provoke confrontations with gender role stereotypes or a non-submissive disposition with regard to gender roles, personal independence and the use of sex as a weapon of vengeance or domination or maybe even lack of sexual commitment.As for Dark Moon Lilith, it's a debated dark shadow around the Earth. Some think it is a ball of space dust, which would explain why it doesn't reflect the Sun as other Moons do. According to Delphine Jay,the effect of Dark Moon Lilith is distinctly impersonal. I have never used DML."NovabronteFrom my notes:True Lilith - H13 - aka Black moon Lilith : is a lunar apogee (point).The Mother (Creativity & Sexuality), Eris/Neptune likeKey words: magic, animal magnetism, kundalini, creative force, seduction, tantric sex, intuition, psychic ability, imagination, poetry, hypnotism, charisma, glamourShamanic qualities (breaks down barriers to unconscious), can let demons in as well as messages from spiritsMost used by astrologers, as it best expresses the myth.9 years cycle, 9 mths in ea signWaldemath Moon - H58 - aka Dark Moon Lilith : not the apogee or the asteroid, but a dust cloud. Nasty side of Lilith (the Shadow), Algol like.Key words: the shadow, demons, rage, toxins, emotional pain, catharsis, madness, SM, perhaps child abuse, vengeance, ghosts, nymphomaniaif emotions (our demons) not released, it can enrage them causing being physically 'raped' by them (overwhelmed)119 days cycle, 10 day in ea signAsteroid Lilith - 1181 The Maiden (Puberty & Virginity), Eris/Uranus like.Key words: rebellion, exile, confrontational, asexual, impulsive, innovative, unconventional, freedom fighter, hands on healing.4 years orbitsource for these is http://darkstarastrology.com/triple-moon-goddess-lilith-astrology/
Ive got entangled in a lot of reading about this and come out none the wiser.
This in itself must be about Lilith and all its facets being hard to pin down, the mystery. That's its so unclear just like Pluto became a hidden force when its planet status was removed
quote:Originally posted by etherealsaturn:Asteroid 1181 is the only verifiable physical body, Dark Moon h58 (Waldemath), maybe. I usually look at all of three and connect them together.
So is h58 BML? All these Liliths can really confuse anyone.
Ok - I read here m answer: http://astrofix.net/2010/07/01/how-to-find-all-four-liliths-in-your-birth-chart/
quote:Originally posted by Sikanda:Sorry, but what is H13? As in house 13??
Okay I see, as I now tried. I see what you mean. If I chose Lilith (the 'standard' way), I have it in Gemini 2H. But if I add 1181, I have a Lilith in Pisces 11H as well. I guess both can influence, or is it only one?
----Edit:
Well, look what I found in this very forum. Giving Peri credit where its due, since it is him/her who said this (thanks for the information):
"h13 is true BML
There are 2 Black Moon Liliths: one is mean BML (Lilith on additional objects list in astro.com) the other is true BML (h13 Osculating Lunar Apogee on the list of "hypothetical" planets )
asteroid Lilith (#1181on the list of named asteroids)
and Dark Moon Lilith (h58 Waldemath Black Moon on the list of "hypothetical" planets)In my opinion, BML represents the subconscious part of our mind or the Unknown, its a hightly individual point in the chart , it is something that makes us different from others. BML also represents our anima/animus figure which is very interesting when it comes to synastry charts comparison. A relationship under the influence of BML may grow into a dangerous liaison, into a painful, intense, obsessive or strange love affair.
Which of them to use true or mean? The true is the more accurate placement but an ephemeris for it has only been available for about 10 years so not as much work has been done using it. From my personal experience, I can say mean BML does work and manifests itself in transits and synastry quite noticeably! As for true BML I haven't worked with it yet.
Asteroid Lilith indicates where a person does not fit the cultural stereotype, leading to some kind of exile from the community, where we struggle with social judgments. In synastry, it can provoke confrontations with gender role stereotypes or a non-submissive disposition with regard to gender roles, personal independence and the use of sex as a weapon of vengeance or domination or maybe even lack of sexual commitment.
As for Dark Moon Lilith, it's a debated dark shadow around the Earth. Some think it is a ball of space dust, which would explain why it doesn't reflect the Sun as other Moons do. According to Delphine Jay,the effect of Dark Moon Lilith is distinctly impersonal. I have never used DML."
True Lilith - H13 - aka Black moon Lilith : is a lunar apogee (point).The Mother (Creativity & Sexuality), Eris/Neptune likeKey words: magic, animal magnetism, kundalini, creative force, seduction, tantric sex, intuition, psychic ability, imagination, poetry, hypnotism, charisma, glamourShamanic qualities (breaks down barriers to unconscious), can let demons in as well as messages from spiritsMost used by astrologers, as it best expresses the myth.9 years cycle, 9 mths in ea sign
Waldemath Moon - H58 - aka Dark Moon Lilith : not the apogee or the asteroid, but a dust cloud. Nasty side of Lilith (the Shadow), Algol like.Key words: the shadow, demons, rage, toxins, emotional pain, catharsis, madness, SM, perhaps child abuse, vengeance, ghosts, nymphomaniaif emotions (our demons) not released, it can enrage them causing being physically 'raped' by them (overwhelmed)119 days cycle, 10 day in ea sign
Asteroid Lilith - 1181 The Maiden (Puberty & Virginity), Eris/Uranus like.Key words: rebellion, exile, confrontational, asexual, impulsive, innovative, unconventional, freedom fighter, hands on healing.4 years orbit
source for these is http://darkstarastrology.com/triple-moon-goddess-lilith-astrology/
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